Introduction to Swiss Biological Medicine – Interview #1 with Dr. Thomas Rau - Paul E. Wanvig

Introduction to Swiss Biological Medicine

Interview #1 with Dr. Thomas Rau

Topic: Introduction to Swiss Biological Medicine

Here are some highlights of the interview:

  • The philosophy behind the clinic's exceptional results.
  • How close to 100% of the patients with CFS/ME and Lyme disease (borreliosis), even in advanced stages, get healed.
  • Why the use of antibiotics in the treatment of Lyme disease is harmful.
  • Why the clinic has such good results in the treatment of breast cancer, prostate cancer, and other cancers without the use of surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy by curing the causes of cancer.
  • Why the preventive removal of breasts after a genetic test to avoid cancer later in life is meaningless.
  • Why wisdom teeth, cavitations, root fillings, and implants often are the main cause of chronic disease.
  • And several other exciting topics.

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Paul E. Wanvig: Hello and welcome to The Paracelsus Clinic in Lustmühle Switzerland. My name is Paul E. Wanvig and I'm here of two reasons. One, I am here as a patient. I've been chronically ill for 14 years and after a burnout in 2003. I've been a shadow of myself. I've been through so many therapies, so many medical western school medicine doctors, so many holistic treatments. I spent a fortune, a seven figure fortune, in euros of my own pocket to become healthy. And so far after 14 years I still are only 20% of myself coming to my energy level, my focus, my brain. But yes, the healing I've done during this 14 years have brought a lot, it brought me happiness, it brought me meaning, it brought me love in life. But my physical health never was regenerating. Today I'm here with medical director of the Paracelsus Clinic who will guide me through my healing process at the clinic. Welcome Dr Rau.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Thank you very much, welcome to you too as a patient and as somebody who wants to bring out our medicine to the world.

Paul E. Wanvig: The first question to you Dr Rau: I've been to so many western school medicine doctors, professors, hospitals and nobody have been finding the reason why I'm ill. They all said, "Oh it's depression Mr Wanvig" or everything is pathological, there is no problem with you. Why is it like this that they are not able to help people with chronical illness?

Dr. Thomas Rau: The problem is that nowadays diseases are different than what they were, even 30 years ago. We should no more think in diagnosis. So to stay stamp, like somebody has Multiple Sclerosis or rheumatoid arthritis or colitis or, or, or. But we should think in systems, in dynamic processes and our thinking should go down to the cell. The basis of the body's function. And many diseases which are unclear, they are just unclear because they do no more fit into diagnosis which the doctors can find.

Our orthodox medicine is trained and highly developed for mechanical things, for things which you can see and test but the tests, they do really go all down to the cellular function. So when I look at my patients, who comes to Lustmühle, to my Paracelsus Clinic, well we only have that negative cases, the bad cases. So the others, the good ones, the easy ones, they don't come here. This is why I see a lot of patients, many many many, we have hundreds of patients, who have chronic fatigue, burnout, fibromyalgia, autoimmune diseases of different, non-really specific expressions. Or even cognitive decline or mental diseases.

Nothing is found and I just had before a professor from the university hospital, the man who was here before you, highest reputation, a family member of him is none detectable sick but this patient is sick, sick, sick. So can't work, can't stand up, is only tired and of course they didn't find anything and so they said, "This psychological." Always when you do not find with the conventional doctors, they say it's psycho vegetative, it is psychological. And then they begin to give antidepressants, anti-whatever. But they do not really look at the cells, at the metabolism.

When I see, now we come back to my patients, what they have, all these unclear diseases, including cancer, about half of my patients are cancer patients. So we see they are toxic. They can't detoxify because they have a cellular deficiency on detoxification. Nobody ever tests this. Or they have heavy metal load. Look at the heavy metal load on a patient who was undetectable psycho vegetative person with chronic fatigue. Highest mercury level, very high arsenic level and cadmium level.

Well all these heavy metals are toxic metals, they make nerve cell blockage. So the metabolism is blocked and how can this cell be vital if it's permanently blocked? And if then we detoxify the patient they get psychologically better, the depression disappears, but it's a long term process. But it's not only heavy metals, it's other toxins like bisphenols, like perchloric acid, like all these organic, we call them, xenohormones. These are the things which we test and also urotoxic, toxins from the bacteria, Clostridia.

All my patients who have this undefinable diseases, they always have, now comes the second pillar of Dr Rau's three steps, is the intestinal health. We have to rebuild, in all these patients, our intestinal health. The site of life forces but also the site of lymph cells, of the immune system. And then the third one, which is the effect on you, is that you have been blocked so much, cellularly blocked by years of antibiotics and it's known that these antibiotics, they are counter acting, as an example the coenzyme Q10, which is basically on the cells. Nickel, works against the zinc, which is the basic catalyst for energy building in the mitochondria. So your mitochondria probably are significantly blocked, so each cell just doesn't work enough. This why you have energy, like a 90 year old. And we find this more and more and more in the western world.

Paul E. Wanvig: This is like, it seems like the chronic illnesses, this is like an epidemic, who is going in the western world. And it feels more and more young people are getting this chronic illnesses, how comes?

Dr. Thomas Rau: The average Swiss school child gets 4 times antibiotics per year, average and the Americans, they have the so called disease, Lyme disease, which super epidemic. But it's only an argument to provide antibiotics for long term, which is good for the pharmaceuticals. But also to block their metabolic pathways. So that five years later they come across like you. Antibiotics long term decrease the cell metabolism and makes afterwards other diseases.

Paul E. Wanvig: You know that western school medicine doctors, you once was one, only a medical doctor, specialist in general medicine and rheumatology. What was your path from being a traditional medical doctor to the more holistic approach?

Dr. Thomas Rau: This is very simple, it sounds a little bit overcritical. Honestly as a rheumatologist my patients just did not get healthy. So they came again and again, even though we had so beautiful remedies, which took away the pain and the inflammation, but as soon as they stopped it came even worse. So they got worse and worse, it's frustrating. Well then next step is are you individual with big ears and big eyes and open mind? Then you have to be critical and ask why is this and what can I do? So I had patients that came and said, "Oh Dr Rau, "I'm now much better." But they were in five years in my treatment. "And what did you do?"

Normally doctors don't ask if a patient gets mysteriously healed, what did you do? Oh I did rebuilding of the intestines. Oh I did a defoxification or acid based metabolism. What, acid based metabolism? What is this? Doctors don't know. So hyper acidity. Well doctor so and so he has a program and then instead of telling that's quackery, I ask Dr So And So, what did you do on our mutual patient? And he said, "Well I did detoxification. "Oh I did de-acidification." And then I ask, "Well can you explain?" Then he began, well next step can I come look what you do?

And my wife and myself, for I would say, nearly 20 years, we spent part of our holidays just to visit doctors all over the world who did something special. And this is biological medicine. Biological medicine means we have to do, we have to provide a change of cellular metabolism to the body and this is a primary medicine. We are not complimentary. We are the basic medicine and if you do it correct, only in few cases in completion to us, we need orthodox medicine. Orthodox medicine is complimentary to what we do. But we have to do it strict, Dr Rau makes a strict treatment. Detoxification, intestinal up building, cellular rebuilding.

Paul E. Wanvig: Before I was coming to the clinic I went through a very in depth questionary, where the clinic was asking me a lot of question if I was also willing to be a part of the healing process? If I was willing to change? If I was willing to do nutrition? And I guess this is a part to find also your patients who you can work with. Self responsibility is an important part of this clinic.

Dr. Thomas Rau: You know, our medicine is biological. This means bios, is for the body, and logical. So it's logic. So we can explain and if you're willing to accept what we explain and to do then you will be your own doctor. I only guide you where to go, I can explain. But you do it yourself. This is why we ask, "Are you willing to change your nutrition." Because nutrition changes the metabolism of the body. Are you willing to go into a longtime treatment because rebuilding of the organs takes months to years and are you willing to do a permanent treatment for yourself? Which is not a permanent dependence from the doctor, it is something which you do yourself.

Paul E. Wanvig: So you want to empower your patients?

Dr. Thomas Rau: Exactly.

Paul E. Wanvig: Not being in a need of the doctor being as independent that they can.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Correct. That's why I write books, I have three english language books, now even four and we explain to the patients.

Paul E. Wanvig: So what are the most basic fundaments for patients coming to you, including me? Is the diet, can you explain a little bit about basic principle of Dr Rau's way and Dr Rau's diet?

Dr. Thomas Rau: Dr Rau's diet basis on the thinking of the Dr Rau's biological medicine, which contains the three pillars. Our diet has to have little toxins, because pillar one is toxic load, so we can't re-intoxify all the time, we have to do a diet which is nontoxic. Which is more or less plant organic. Next is the intestinal system and the immune system. More than 90% of our cancer patients and around 80% of our chronic patients and then you look at the road in Switzerland, 60% of average population, has food intolerances. And when they eat these food intolerances they irritate their intestines. So it gives a permanent stimulus or negative stimulus and it destroys the intestine, which is also destroying the intestinal immune system. Which has a relation to the autonomic nerve system and the brain.​

Even the American's now they realize there is a gut/brain correlation, well we speak about this since 50 years. So these are the important things, you can only heal your body if your biggest organ and your immune system, which is the intestines, are healthy. So we make a healthy diet for the intestines. And when the patient comes I shoot from the hip and I say, "You don't take any dairy products. "No white sugar, no gluten." Well this is like John Wayne, you shoot from the hip. But afterwards we test against what the patient is really allergic to, then we can do the fine tuning. This takes about one to three weeks but knowing that 90% of our patients anyhow are intolerant to beta lacto protein from the cow's milk. Well I tell them, "No dairy product." This is the background and then the third part, that's what you can get in our hotel, is trace element rich food. Grains, we integrate nuts, leafy green vegetables. Some part is raw, some is not raw, absolutely no sugar and no dairy products. And these kinds of things we give so that you can re-feed your organism with the needed trace elements and amino acids.

Paul E. Wanvig:  And with this diet and everything else you're doing you're talking about experience because you are not been dreaming this or reading it in the a book, you have been treating more than 30,000 patients the last years in this clinic. From more than 80 countries and I see the success rate you have with cancer, Lymes, chronical diseases are pretty extraordinary. This diet is, as I understand it, a product of your experience with your patients.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Yes, yes absolutely. The development of Dr Rau's hypoallergenic diet is a result of 30 years. It's very sophisticated, it's quite individualized, we have the basic rules but in addition we can individualize. And it's just basis on a lot of experience and especially, I would say, hardly any doctor has so much experience with biological treatment of cancer and autoimmune diseases. And now more and more we get this unclear diseases, like you have or like autistic children, it is epidemic, it is a horrible story with the autism. And we have solutions. All the so called Lyme patients. So called, for me this is not a disease, it is a toxic load on which this bacteria can, in addition, make some expression.

Paul E. Wanvig: Talking about Lymes disease, this is also like an epidemic, especially in Europe and US and where I'm coming from, Norway, it is pretty extraordinary. And I heard so many different ways of treating Lymes but very few are successful. The worst case I heard, six months of antibiotics from functional medicines, someone told me. What is your shot on healing Lymes and what kind of success rate do you have in the clinic?

Dr. Thomas Rau: It's very simple. Dr Rau's three pillars, detoxification, we look which pathways the patient can make, rebuilding of the intestinal flora and rebuilding of the cell. We rebuild your body cell by cell, this is my slogan. And if you have tetracyclines, which normally they give in the beginning of the so-called Lyme disease, then you destroy the bacteria's cells walls. You destroy your intestinal health. This is the beginning of neurological problems but it takes certain time. When they give even more deep going antibiotics, some of them even contain toxins, like Rocephin which contains mercury. And then you intoxify the body even more. So we detoxify, we rebuild the intestinal health and we rebuild the cellular metabolism. This individual, very individualized. Our success rate sound extremely arrogant but our success rate in Lyme disease is nearly a hundred percent. And we only get the bad cases, but it takes long and I never use antibiotics. We even detoxify from the damage of antibiotics.

Paul E. Wanvig: What is typical time if you have Lyme disease, typical healing times approximate?

Dr. Thomas Rau: When I look at this typical mid-age or young American, girl or man, they come with 20 and is volatilized, they can't work anymore, they can't sleep anymore, they have pain, they have psychological issues. And when I look at these so-called Lyme diseases, it takes several months, up to two years. But they feel after three weeks here, they feel much better. Even though they are not yet healed. But then we give a program for at home.

Paul E. Wanvig: So you do the rest at home.

Dr. Thomas Rau: We do not work against the Borrelia burgdorferi, we work for the cells of this patient. This is the difference. And we work against, or again for the patient, against the co-infection viruses, which often make small damage, then the Lyme bacteria itself.

Paul E. Wanvig: So you say that the problem her is not borreliose, it's the body's ability to deal with the bacteria.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Yes.

Paul E. Wanvig: Also in the speech you gave that the borreliose is not a dangerous bacteria, but is dangerous when is the body is too weak and too toxic.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Yes when the body's toxic then the bacteria love this milieu. It's interesting, they make along the River Rhine, they make tests, Lyme is this little town in Connecticut. Eastern North America, New England, and there is humid, forestry, with little lakes, this area, beautiful area, Lyme. So and there they are, the deer and the ticks. But exactly the same situation we have along the River Rhine, in Schaffhausen, in the area of Black Forest, it's the same climate, the same humidity, the same river and so, deers, as much can be. So they have ticks all over and they tested forest workers, children from the villages, in the schools and they found that more than 90%, they fulfilled the criteria of the diagnosis Lyme but they were healthy as can be. So this diagnosis, this bacteria on the body and even the western blood test does not really explain the multi symptom diseases which these patients have. These are two different things. But it's fantastic for the pharmaceuticals and the doctors, they can say, "Oh you have borreliosis, "we have to treat you for this." And they can treat for years and years. It will never get better because they do not really remove the causes. We look for the causes and we individually work on these causes and then Lyme disease disappears.

Paul E. Wanvig: Before we go into your excellent results treating cancer I would like to know about the diagnosing, so the holistic diagnosing because this is a essential part of my stay, the first part of my stay. These two days has been only diagnosing. I've gone from one station to the other and yes, tell a little about the importance of the right diagnosing and what you are doing to diagnose the problem and the underlying root causes of the problem.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Come to my seminars, we teach about biological treatment of cancer, a lot, because this is, I would say the masterpiece of biological medicine. And now comes, this is complicated part, now comes the simple part. You follow Dr Rau's three pillars. Detoxification, immune up building, intestinal up building, and the rebuilding of the cells. If you do this the cancer cell has much less chance to spread because they need a very specific metabolism, which enables them to grow. So cancer is a milleau disease. Of course cancer begins to grow and the big lump can make damage, of course. So we do a testing for all the reasons why you could have cancer, what could have activated this. We do the panoramic x-ray. We do a lot of tests, which no oncologist does. All these tests for viruses, for toxic load, for xenohormones, there are so many toxic influences which are cancerigenic. Like cadmium, well we find cladium in the patients. When I ask the tox professor, this is the state lab of toxicology, it's not some kitchen lab. So when I asked him, "Professor Kausline, "what is the finding of other oncology clinics? "Do they also find in all the breast cancer xenohormones?" Cancerigenic hormones, which you can test. "Well you are the only one "in Switzerland who does these tests." Honestly, who is specialist here and who is narrowest?

Paul E. Wanvig:  So if we come back to diagnostic, the first two days of my stay has been diagnosis, all the time from different stations. And the first I was sent to was the dentist. And why is this so important, both for chronical illnesses, cancer and this kind of difficult illnesses, why is the teeth so important?

Dr. Thomas Rau: Each tooth is connected to a meridian. The meridian is something which the Chinese medicine, they developed thinking of meridians. And they have proven over thousands of years, on billions of patients, they proven this fact that organs, they belong together. There is a connection between organs in their function. And they have five functional circles. That's Chinese medicine, it's not my invention at all. But at the end or the beginning of these meridians, always at the end or the beginning, there are teeth. And this tooth or each meridian has different teeth which belong to them. So there is a connection between the tooth and the organs. So we know from experience which tooth belongs to which meridian and which meridian belongs to which organs.

This is one thing, and the other thing is that teeth are nowadays also a site of toxic load. Patients get root canals and the root canal filling material still contains formaldehyde, antibiotics, preservatives, highly toxic materials. The dentist say well this is in the tooth and it doesn't come out but this is not true. It provides, each root canal provides a subclinical toxic load to the patient. And we have tests to test the toxic wash out and even the inflammatory reaction to these toxins, with cytokines, which we test, with Rantes, it's a specific cytokine which is a dental cytokine. And we can test these things, and heavy metals. So this is one thing. The tooth as a meridian part, which interacts and the tooth as a toxic source. This is why every patient has to have a picture like this on day one, before I even shake hands, they have to do this. Why? Because in our patients, more than 90% of our patients, they have significant load on the dental situation. Toxic, electricity, meridian disturbance, inflammatory, on the teeth and they normally do not really feel it.

Paul E. Wanvig:  Like me, I've been to so many dentists who say everything is okay with you Mr Wanvig, there is no problem. What can you tell about, this is my teeth.

Dr. Thomas Rau: This your dental panoramic x-ray. It's not a good printout but look at that, what we see here, you have a focus about the bone between these teeth, falls apart, this is a chronical stasis. And you have these two teeth impacted. The wisdom tooth is impacted. Dentists don't like to see this because it's difficult to remove. It's not simple, they don't like this. Because it is very close, there is a sinus, very close to the sinus and here even presses to the neighbor tooth. And you see a pocket here of bacteria. This is bacteria, meridian and sinus irritation. This makes chronic diseases. Now I take my tooth chart, the corelation chart between teeth and I can see small intestine and heart. These teeth belong to the small intestines and heart and they make a permanent irritation.

But you don't feel it here, you hear it on another side. Small intestine is the site of your immune system and the heart is the site of the heart, of course. So I just have now a patient who was super VIP from far Eastern country and he comes and I say, "Well super VIP or not, billionaire or not, "I don't care at all, you go to the dentist." And what did we find? We found that he had a wisdom tooth, no two wisdom teeth sincerely infected and impacted. So a person like him, he went to Germany, he went to cardiologist, because he an intermittent atrial fibrillation, he got ablation, of his, how do you say, atrium, of the heart.

Because it was irritating, but it was not irritating and it was irritating again. According to what he ate. Because he also had a small intestinal food intolerance. So the tooth plus the irritation on the same meridian made the heart jump and two ablations did not work. Electro ablation did not work on him. It came back, why? Because of the cause was not removed. I told him, "You don't need anti coagulation, "you need dental work." And he did the dental work and since he removed the tooth we found a chronic infected area. When we removed the tooth all the pus came out. And now, he's still here, for several days. He's putrefying, putrefying all the time but not a single extra systole anymore. Now we just did a 24 hour EKG, atrial fibrillation disappeared. So this is only one cause, I could have so many causes between dental and cancer.

Paul E. Wanvig:  And you are serious when you have cancer patients and you remove the stuff from the mouth, the problems, then you see how they are regenerating like magic? Is this so?

Dr. Thomas Rau: Yes, of course it is not only this treatment. Like in this lady here, erase the name, this lady here, 80 years old, she has a pleura mesothelioma, highly malignant lung cancer, highly. Normally they die within months. This is a picture from February. Well she came, lung full of water, that's why she came. We punctuated, we began our cancer treatment, no chemo, no radiation, no operation. Only pulling water out and putting our remedies in. I told her, Mrs So And So, you have for site, look at this, you have this tooth is absolutely, it flows in pus more or less. This one, this one, well here are implants, we don't like this, titanium implants and here you have two root canals.

This is on a lung tooth, these are two lung teeth and here also, you have four infected lung meridian teeth. You have to remove. "No, no, no, you do cancer treatment now." Well after several weeks I said look Mrs So and So, go to an oncologist if you want, I can't do this treatment if you don't remove the tooth. This is my practice, my experience of nearly 30 years. So she did and two days after she called, "Unbelievable, no more pain on my lung." And since then she had only very little rebuilding of the pleura fusion. Of course the cancer is not away but the reason which produced or co-produced the cancer is away. So its much better. I have so many such examples. Therefore no more treatment of chronic patient without including a correct dental treatment.

Paul E. Wanvig: And a correct dental treatment, this the word, because it's not only to go to a dentist and pull the tooth. It is a big apparatus you have around this kind of treatment.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Exactly.

Paul E. Wanvig: Do you have some words about what do you do additionally to just take the tooth out.

Dr. Thomas Rau: First of all the case effect that you do take the tooth out and don't do root canals, very important. Secondly if you don't believe we have tests to show if here are white blood cells activation, if there is chronic inflammation. Everybody knows chronic inflammation is cancerigenic. So we can test this. Well but we do a pre-treatment and a post-treatment. After the removing of the tooth to release from the focus we do also treatment, we do pulse magnetic field treatment, which increases the healing and we do the platelets. We take blood from the patients, we spin it, centrifugation , and then we take the platelets out of the centrifuge and we take the platelets out. The platelets of the human body is the carrier of the grow factors. So we put this platelet concentrate, we activate them and we put them in the hole where you need growth, regrowth of the hole which is after removing. So in six weeks the bone is rebuilt without infection. That's our process, what we do before and afterwards. And then they get up building IV infusion. So even in such, in this case, it's difficult to remove these two wisdom teeth, you really have to be trained. It's quite difficult.

Paul E. Wanvig: Because they are so close to the sinuses.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Exactly.

Paul E. Wanvig: This is my own nightmare, to have this kind of stuff done because one of my biggest fears in life was to go to the dentist. Had bad experiences as a child and this was what I was fearing most coming to this clinic, that you start to take my tooth, but I'm very happy that you find one other reason why I'm so ill. Because this probably has to be one reason who is pretty important.

Dr. Thomas Rau: When we have a patient like you then, well this could make heart problem, could make intestinal problem but its also intestines is the organ of vitality. So it can have vitality problems and you could also have mental problems. It's also the tools of depression, can be the tools of depression. Yeah so we just test and we do of course, on you, with your disease, we would like to insist on doing the dental work because it's one of the causes. There is never one cause, it's always multi cause, every disease is multi causing.

Paul E. Wanvig:  Lets go a little bit to cancer, breast cancer and prostate cancer is also something we find very often in our society today. You say that cancer is a toxic illness, can you tell a little about breast cancer and prostate cancer and how this created in the body and a little bit about how you treat it efficiently.

Dr. Thomas Rau: We talk about cancer now. In Paracelsus Clinic Lustmühle we have a lot of cancer patients and in my practice the cancer patients are more than 50%. So we treat cancer patients in all stages. We treat from diagnosis, which I like the most, or most of them unfortunately, they already did many treatments, operation or chemotherapy or radiation. Normally we get the patient when they have done a lot of treatments, they come because of reoccurrence. Why does cancer reoccur? Because you do not remove the reasons. You don't co-treat the reason which leads to cancer. So we have to look very strategical, very wide spread, to all cancerigenic inferences which could be around in your body. Of course everybody is different but we just look through and there are toxic load again, intestinal bacteria, which are cancerigenic, for example Clostridia and there is a lack of cellular integrity.

Cancer cell has a different metabolism than a healthy cell and it needs a different environment than the healthy cells. So if you change this cancer favoring environment to a healthy environment the cancer cells they loose their milieu and they begin to become less active, less malignant. They just, you pull, so to say, the electricity from their metabolism. That's what we do. We have treatments, in cancer patients we do, we have a strict program. We do evaluation of the cause. It's never the cause, it's always multi cause. Secondly we activate and we test the immune system and we do a immune up building treatment. Which is always combined with a intestinal treatment because an adult person, our normal cancer patients, they have about 90% of their T-lymph cells, the natural killer cells, the macrophages, who go to attack the cancer in the intestines. Diseased intestines, higher chance of cancer.

This is even scientifically absolutely proven. And the third thing is anti cancerous treatment. And there we have many different means, injections, alkaline injections, neuro therapies, which is also an injection technique. Then we do hypothermia, heat treatment. We do pulsed magnetic field, cancer cells they hate pulse magnetic field and we do change of milieu so that the cancer get inactive. Of course it does not always work but it works very very often. And for us it's not even the big difference if a patient comes in a progress stage or in an early stage because even the progress stages, they did not have this treatment yet normally. So if they are reactive they react and we have even Stage 4 cancer patients, many many who just stabilized, cancer did not remove but they were inactive and so they survive for long term. We have many such cases.

Of course not all patients, we also have cancer patients who die but a bigger number than, especially in these progress cases who profit from our treatment. So when a patient calls me or the husband or the brother, "Oh my sister had breast cancer, newly developed, "we should do operation then chemotherapy." No you should not do, you should first pretreat right, remove all the causes which leads to cancer. Then you can operate, okay, and then you have to post treat biological. So you don't need to feel the reoccurrence. Because the cause of the recurrence is that the causes were not removed. That's my strategy, and it works.

Paul E. Wanvig:  And if you have breast cancer in early stage or prostate cancer early stage, what is the probability when you come to you and get the full treatment, that you can continue to live with a good life quality.

Dr. Thomas Rau: That's individual. We have to look, I hate the doctors who say, "Oh we can treat cancer successfully always." That's not true, nobody. But we have to look for the other reasons and in early breast cancer we have very good results. How do we measure? I made analysis of our Stage 1 or 2 breast cancer patients who came with Stage 1 or 2, not yet metastasized and we did, we observed them for two, up to 12 years. Well not everybody has 12 years of course but we observed only the ones are two years and more and none of them became metastatic. So this one outcome which we have.

Paul E. Wanvig: Then I guess you don't think so much about people who do a gene test and they remove both breasts because they have gene mutation.

Dr. Thomas Rau: No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I know this drama, which was nothing than business, there was this actor, a horrible lady, who presented herself, I don't name her, but presented, "I'm BRCA positive, "breast cancer gene positive. "I have this chance, therefore I remove both my breasts." This is idiocy, because did she also remove the ovaries? And what do they say to them? It also increases the chance of ovaries. But I have to counter question. Why do they only have a chance and not a sure cancer prognosis? You know what I mean?

Paul E. Wanvig: Yes.

Dr. Thomas Rau: So because the chance gets increased by milieu, and environment and toxic factors. If we up build the milieu, if we remove all the toxins, if we up build the immune system, even in they have the BRCA positive, they don't get cancer. So a prevention mastectomy is only good for the surgeon, only good. That's my sure conviction.

Paul E. Wanvig: This conclude our first talk together Dr. Rau, this is the introduction to my stay at your clinic and next time we meet we will go into diagnosing, because then we have all the data and then route your map out for me. What kind of treatments and then we'll come back and show the different treatments and also the progress you hopefully make with me. I'm 99% sure, I'm in good faith and thank you for being here with me Dr. Rau.

Dr. Thomas Rau: Thank you also for giving me the chance to and I think it's very important that you spread this word.
We do a lot of seminars, come to Academy, we have an Academy webpage. I do lay person teaching, I do speeches and I do also professional teaching. We have our whole doctors team, we do training a lot.

Paul E. Wanvig: So your philosophy is not to keep the goodies and the secrets and the secret source for yourself. You want to spread your experience to all who want to learn from you.

Dr. Thomas Rau: I tell everybody all I know, if this is possible, because the market is huge. If I have a thousand colleagues who copy me, many many things. So well now comes the arrogant part. Because until they are able to do the same thing we are five steps ahead. So because our medicine is always developing. What I do now is much more progressed than what we did 10 years ago. So it has to be a permanent evolution in this treatment and for me, I'm now 67, so my purpose is to spread the word.

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